What is the direction that the Party is going/wants to go?

I encourage anyone to respond. I've personally read the principles and platform, but it is the platform I feel that really states exactly what is to be done. Ultimately I feel the Party needs to expand the platform with identifiable policy recommendations and then juxtapose what we propose versus the Democrats, Greens, Libertarians, and Republicans (and how we differ or concur with those other major/minor parties which the public may be more familiar with). And, have an explicit link to candidates who have won elections under the Party banner with what they have implemented as an example of our folks' efficacy in government. To answer this question specifically though, I find it difficult to exactly say where we're going or want to go. I appreciate that we are moderates and have a decidedly centrist attitude towards any political polarization. However, I think that does create difficulty for the casual observer to know where we really stand. As an example I'll use the foreign policy section of the platform: We could offer an official response to what we feel is the use of NATO, operations in Afghanistan, the crisis in Syria, etc. I purposely use the foreign policy section because I feel this should be a little more "clear cut" to explain for moderates as opposed to the Affordable Care Act. Again, I understand the ambiguity for some domestic problems, but if there are areas where we can be more specific and the public can understand exactly what we mean then let's do that. On the other hand though, the education section of the platform has a greater amount of planks than almost any other, so I feel we should at least bring all others to that point. Ultimately both major parties have over 100 planks and I feel we can match and easily overtake that, with well researched and debated policy proposals (which have been voted on in a convention). The more we more offer people the better. And I hope this doesn't seem like rambling.


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  • jules rensch
    commented 2018-07-19 10:00:28 -0400
    happy, A am, to share this with our brothers & sisters of MWP

    “You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
    To change something, build a new model that makes the existing
    model obsolete”
    R. Buckminster Fuller
  • jules rensch
    commented 2018-07-19 07:58:46 -0400
    Supporting Michael Fetcho’s remarks, I am.
    Going back many years, I’m recalling how hard we worked, in Florda, to obtain Ballot Status for the Libertarian candidate for President (Ed Clark)
    There was no internet, social media or cable tv in those days…yet, somehow, we did it.
    By the time I got involved with the Ralph Nader campasign, one could easily see how today’s PR potential is so much more expanded, easier!

    In my humble opinion, Third Party efforts require a First Party mentality and demeanor…with no more cowering as if waiting for the right time to release positions on day to day developements.
    If someone is reluctant to wear a MWP shirt, affix an MWP bumper sticker to the family car or unwilling to write an Opinion Letter to the editor of your daily press, because they are waiting for the party to blossom….then we remain the “party in hiding”.
    all the best, as ever, Observer Jules
  • Joe Smith
    commented 2018-07-19 03:14:19 -0400
    Hi Jules and others commenters,

    Perhaps you received the same call today that I did. If not, I received a voicemail message from Dan Smith, Director of Advancement for the Modern Whig Party of America. The phone number that he left me is 248-916-6040.

    He wants me to call him back to hear about my past involvement and to learn about the current direction the Whig Party is headed. And, he wanted me to make a monthly sustainer donation.

    So, I am planning to call him back, but I thought I’d take a look at the website first, as I haven’t visited it in awhile.

    And I was fortunate to find your comments. Some I already share with you, and you provided some fine other ones.

    I was very excited about the Whig Platform a few years ago, when I signed up for membership. But sadly, I have almost completely forgotten about the Whigs. I received one call a couple of years ago, in regards to my request to volunteer. The gentleman wanted me to write news articles or stories about the Whigs and their activities, for the local media, and any and all other interested parties.

    Well, there was no active Whig Chapter in Massachusetts at the time, so I obviously had to turn down his request.

    As far as I can remember, going back to when I joined approximately 5 years ago, that was the only contact I’ve received from the Party. I checked a few times to see if there were any Whig candidates running in this state, but I never saw any.

    I liked your idea of forming small action groups. Or at this point, ‘discussion group’s as I’d have no idea what I’d/we’d take ‘action’ on. Just saying that the Democrats and Republicans are dinosaurs and there is little difference between them, and that they represent only the rich, special interests, corporations, unions, Hollywood, the Koch Brothers, etc. is the same tired old mantra of 3rd parties forever.

    You can’t ask for someone’s support by simply saying; ’We’re not them.’

    However, I don’t know where to go from here. You made another good point that a Whig member could live down the street, and you wouldn’t know it. Yep.

    I suggest that all of you, if you haven’t already called Dan with your suggestions and frustrations, to do so soon.

    Best.

    Michael Fetcho
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  • Theodore Theopolos
    commented 2018-06-30 12:26:44 -0400
    Yeah, our inaction as a whole is irritating and I feel like I neglected things that could contribute these past months. As for the PR man, Jules, the closest I can think of is Jake Didinsky who heads communications. He caught a flu that hospitalized him back in March and I have not heard from him since. For Whigs that could be nearby, I recommend you contact your respected State’s chairman. He/She can access the Party’s database for those who registered with this website or some other platform. Hopefully there will be someone at the very least the next town over because State Chairman do like to see and report about action groups to National. From what I recall, some attempted to set up a convention earlier this year, but they scrapped it due to complications and lack of commitments. However, Virginia held two state conventions, so maybe state conventions will need to be the means of organizing ourselves before the National 2020 convention.
  • Jules Hilliard
    commented 2018-06-27 21:52:52 -0400
    I’ve been listening, or reading, all that is being said here, and I concur with at least most of it however, talk is cheap and action will get the job done. I know I really do not have the right to be critical here but, we really need to actually do something. Do we have a PR man in this organization? You know, you can create the greatest widget in the world but, if know one knows about it, your not going to sell any.
    What is the possibility of forming small action groups? There is one problem: There could be another Whig living down the street from me and I wouldn’t know it. Is there anyway that we can share this information?
    Another thing. What about mini conventions?
    Of course, we could all wait till November 2020 and then suggest; maybe we should do something.
  • Ethan Ferbel
    commented 2018-05-17 16:22:59 -0400
    It’s critical that we distinguish ourselves from the Democratic and Republican Party. Theodore’s statement on a committee is a great solution. A modern and convent approach could be a group chat (for the lack of a better phrase) where various whigs can talk over policy. It would be extraordinarily helpful at deciding what positions we should take and what solutions to promote. I’ve done some political activism before and have used an app called “Slack” to directly communicate and discuss ideas in different threads. Also in an unrelated note I find it would be important to work with other centrist movements as much as possible. As a United group we’d have a greater ability to reach more moderates and independents who share our values.
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  • Charles Simpson
    commented 2018-04-14 01:59:42 -0400
    I have specific points of interest and would like specific answers before I decide to throw my support to something that could possibly turn out to be just another political party that abandons our working citizens as soon as it gets into power.

    1) Does the party support strict controls on our social security system so that it will again belong solely to those of us who have contributed to it? Will it be made completely independent of any other government program that gives money and support to anyone who has not paid anything into the system?

    2) Does the party support complete sovereignty for our country above all other interests and institutions?

    3) Will illegal entrants to our country be considered criminal and will they be acted against to include imprisonment, fines and/or deportation with no exceptions for any reasons?

    4) Does the party adhere to the notion of term limits for members of Congress with no exceptions?

    5) Would the party support a movement to relocate our nation’s capital from the totally corrupt Washington DC to a more suitable location near the heartland of our country as it should be? We have millions of acres of federally owned land that could be made into a new Washington, DC while the existing one could meld back in to the state of Virginia.

    We definitely need a new political path to travel because what we have in power today has become totally corrupt (even criminal for the majority of both parties) and needs to be removed as soon as possible.
  • Craig Hummel
    commented 2018-02-20 16:21:33 -0500
    There are several important issues we could use to put forth common sense alternative proposals to the Republicans and Democrats.
    1. Solutions to gun violence. Democrats seemingly want to do away with the right to bear arms while the Republicans appear unwilling to consider any changes to the status quo.
    2. Healthcare. Democrats want to socialize medicine while Republicans have been unable to come up with a decent alternative to the ACA.
    3. Taxes. In spite of the recent tax “reform” passed by the Republican Congress, there is much work to be done. We may have received tax cuts, but it certainly falls short of “reform.” It increases the deficit dramatically and does nothing to rein in the IRS. A signature issue of the Whig Party could be to adopt and promote the FairTax movement. It could be a win-win for both organizations as FairTax would gain a national political force (we may be modest, but we are growing) and TMWP would have an issue to showcase our pragmatic, centrist, solutions-oriented political movement. The FairTax is all of the above.
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  • Theodore Theopolos
    commented 2018-02-10 15:45:31 -0500
    I fully agree that the platform is lacking and I have been frustrated by how little we expanded and polished it since the 2016 Convention. We only could so much there, because we cannot cook up a brilliant solution for Social Security in an afternoon. Yet despite talks to set up committees to at least develop possible solutions to public policies, the platform remains stagnant. Granted to give credit to Nationals, they really want to set up another national convention to finally construct a more elaborate platform among other things while momentum is building. However, they wanted to host it in Florida and they do not seem to receive enough commitments (probably because Florida is a stretch to reach for most people), but will hopefully announce an alternative location.
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    The only thing that might advance the issue further till/if we hold a convention will be to form a group that will focus on a particular public policy (or several, but work on them one at a time than all at once) that the group finds lacking and submit their work to National and state chairs, and hopefully they will post their research to the party at-large. That way come the Convention (if we hold it), it will be just a matter of ratifying that group’s effort to be planks in the platform. Not everything with the platform will be resolved, but it will be a better approach than the current one, which will be to hammer out solutions in an afternoon and leave several gaps unfilled.
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    One thing I would hate the party do/be accused of is to “cherry-pick” our policies rather than develop our own policies built from a centrist mentality and Methodology. It only serves to hurt the party’s growth if we cannot offer new solutions and possibilities to the American people. So no, you were not rambling but stating a concerning case of the Status Quo.
  • Theodore Theopolos
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  • Kirk Boland
    commented 2018-02-05 18:58:02 -0500
    Jules, thank you and I appreciate it. I truly hope that our Party will continue to move forward in way that we have the capacity to offer the electorate a real choice, especially with the candidates that have already decided to use the Whig banner.
    Zach, I completely agree. I feel that in order for us to continue momentum we have to continue making solid planks that state concrete positions; although not every social issue be necessarily be hammered out. In my opinion there are several classic examples, but among them could be abortion and religion: there should be Whigs who are both pro-choice/life and theist/atheist (respective to those social ideas or policies). And in some of these social areas our strength of being a moderate party is very explicit: if we agree on 90% of issues and solutions and have a disagreement or two that’s okay because we are the real “big tent” party. And, what I feel, we the Whigs can be a real testament to diversity in thought: we gain strength from not being a party of sycophants and engaging in group-think. We have the resolve as individuals and as a party to tolerate a respectful opposition to a variety of policies and planks (e.g. like on more concrete things like fiscal or foreign policy), but are respectful and learn from one another with our differences on more social things (like the aforementioned beliefs about abortion or religion, etc.).
  • Zach Baker
    commented 2018-02-04 13:23:51 -0500
    I agree. Some of the party planks are quite vague, and could be fleshed out better. I understand that there are people with many different views in the party that may make nailing down some policies difficult, but it is also going to be difficult to grow without some more concrete positions.
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  • jules rensch
    commented 2018-01-24 22:57:19 -0500
    Thank you Kirk…your ideas and suggestions are “right on”.
    The two party system has grown so far apart and certainly contributes to our highly divided nation.
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    I’m with you…The Modern Whigs can, indeed, step between these troublesome factions with more information, more discussion and more solutions….it is our time…to give Centrism a chance.

    In humility, Observer Jules
  • jules rensch
    tagged this with good 2018-01-24 22:49:03 -0500
  • Kirk Boland
    published this page in Whig Forums 2018-01-24 11:12:07 -0500